All this week, we are featuring conversations that matter from our series, The Bay Agenda, recorded live at KALW’s community events space in downtown San Francisco.
Today’s show features an excerpt from a conversation with UC Berkeley historian Daniel E. Zoughbie, whose new book is Kicking the Hornet's Nest: U.S. Foreign Policy in the Middle East from Truman to Trump. He’s joined by KALW News Editor Sunni Khalid.
This episode was originally released in November 2025 and it was co-presented with Litquake.