When Rob Reiner spoke with Fresh Air in September to promote Spinal Tap II: The End Continues, Terry Gross asked him about Being Charlie, a 2015 film he collaborated on with his son Nick Reiner. The film was a semiautobiographical story of addiction and homelessness, based on Nick's own experiences.
Nick Reiner was arrested Sunday evening after Rob and Michele Reiner were found dead inside their California home.
The father character in Being Charlie feels a lot of tension between his own career aspirations and his son's addiction — but Reiner said that wasn't how it was for him and Nick.
"I was never, ever too busy," Reiner told Fresh Air. "I mean, if anything, I was the other way, you know, I was more hands-on and trying to do whatever I thought I could do to help. I'm sure I made mistakes and, you know, I've talked about that with him since."
At the time, Reiner said he believed Nick was doing well. "He's been great … hasn't been doing drugs for over six years," Reiner said. "He's in a really good place."
Reiner starred in the 1970s sitcom, All in the Family and directed Stand By Me, The Princess Bride, When Harry Met Sally and A Few Good Men. Spinal Tap II: The End Continues is a sequel to his groundbreaking 1984 mockumentary This Is Spinal Tap.
"After 15 years of not working together, we came back and started looking at this and seeing if we could come up with an idea, and we started schnadling right away," Reiner recalled. "It was like falling right back in with friends that you hadn't talked to in a long time. It's like jazz musicians, you just fall in and do what you do."
Below are some more highlights from that interview.
Interview Highlights
On looking up to his dad, director Carl Reiner, and growing up surrounded by comedy legends
When I was a little boy, my parents said that I came up to them and I said, "I want to change my name." I was about 8 years old ... They were all, "My god, this poor kid. He's worried about being in the shadow of this famous guy and living up to all this." And they say, "Well, what do you want to change your name to?" And I said, "Carl." I loved him so much, I just wanted to be like him and I wanted to do what he did and I just looked up to him so much. ...
[When] I was 19 … I was sitting with him in the backyard and he said to me, "I'm not worried about you. You're gonna be great at whatever you do." He lives in my head all the time. I had two great guides in my life. I had my dad, and then Norman Lear was like a second father. They're both gone, but they're with me always. ...
There's a picture in my office of all the writers who wrote for Sid Caesar and [Your] Show of Shows over the nine years, I guess, that they were on. And, when you look at that picture, you're basically looking at everything you ever laughed at in the first half of the 20th century. I mean there's Mel Brooks, there's my dad, there is Neil Simon, there is Woody Allen, there is Larry Gelbart, Joe Stein who wrote Fiddler on the Roof, Aaron Ruben who created The Andy Griffith Show. Anything you ever laughed at is represented by those people. So these are the people I look up to, and these are people that were around me as a kid growing up.
On directing the famous diner scene in When Harry Met Sally
We knew we were gonna do a scene where Meg [Ryan] was gonna fake an orgasm in an incongruous place like a deli, and Billy [Crystal] came up with the line, "I'll have what she's having." ... I said, we need to find somebody, an older Jewish woman, who could deliver that line, which would seem incongruous. I thought of my mother because my mother had done a couple of little [movie] things ... So I asked her if she wanted to do it and she said sure. I said, "Now listen mom, hopefully that'll be the topper of the scene. It'll get the big laugh, and if it doesn't, I may have to cut it out." ... She said, "That's fine. I just want to spend the day with you. I'll go to Katz's. I'll get a hot dog." ...
When we did the scene the first couple of times through Meg was kind of tepid about it. She didn't give it her all. ... She was nervous. She's in front of the crew and there's extras and people. ... And at one point, I get in there and I said, "Meg, let me show you what I meant." And I sat opposite Billy, and I'm acting it out, and I'm pounding the table and I'm going, "Yes, yes, yes!" ... I turned to Billy and I say, "This is embarrassing ... I just had an orgasm in front of my mother." But then Meg came in and she did it obviously way better than I could do it.
On differentiating himself from his father with Stand By Me (1986)
I never said specifically I want to be a film director. I never said that. And I never really thought that way. I just knew I wanted to act, direct, and do things, be in the world that he was in. And it wasn't until I did Stand By Me that I really started to feel very separate and apart from my father. Because the first film I did was, This Is Spinal Tap, which is a satire. And my father had trafficked in satire with Sid Caesar for many years. And then the second film I did was a film called The Sure Thing, which was a romantic comedy for young people, and my father had done romantic comedy. The [Dick] Van Dyke Show is a romantic comedy, a series.
But when I did Stand By Me, it was the one that was closest to me because ... I felt that my father didn't love me or understand me, and it was the character of Gordie that expressed those things. And the film was a combination of nostalgia, emotion and a lot of humor. And it was a real reflection of my personality. It was an extension, really, of my sensibility. And when it became successful, I said, oh, OK. I can go in the direction that I want to go in and not feel like I have to mirror everything my father's done up till then.
On starting his own production company (Castle Rock) and how the business has changed
We started it so I could have some kind of autonomy because I knew that the kinds of films I wanted to make people didn't wanna make. I mean, I very famously went and talked to Dawn Steel, who was the head of Paramount at the time. ... And she says to me, "What do you wanna make? What's your next film?" And I said, "Well, you know, I got a film, but I don't think you're going to want to do it." … I'm going to make a movie out of The Princess Bride. And she said, "Anything but that." So I knew that I needed to have some way of financing my own films, which I did for the longest time. ...
It's tough now. And it's beyond corporate. I mean, it used to be there was "show" and "business." They were equal — the size of the word "show" and "business." Now, you can barely see the word "show," and it's all "business." And the only things that they look at [are] how many followers, how many likes, what the algorithms are. They're not thinking about telling a story. … I still wanna tell stories. And I'm sure there's a lot of young filmmakers — even Scorsese is still doing it, older ones too — that wanna tell a story. And I think people still wanna hear stories and they wanna see stories.
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