Making a baby isn't easy if you're two gay men. But that's what author Joshua Gamson and his husband, Richard, set out to do. Twice. Those stories and four others are what makes up his new book, "Modern Families: Stories of Extraordinary Journeys to Kinship." Marilyn explores with him the complexities, physically, legally, and politically, of what these parents went through and why. Thursday, September 3rd, 2015 at 7pm Pacific at kalw.org, 91.7fm in San Francisco.